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Here’s a super familiar life trajectory.

Deckhand on a fishing boat, training to become a firefighter, pursuit of an acting career, relief worker in Sudan before enlisting in the Army and becoming a Green Beret.

All that before playing college football at the University of Texas and then going to the NFL.

And, on the tail end of it, sitting with Colin Kaepernick discussing standing versus sitting during the National Anthem before a football game.

Nate Boyer joined the show, and our conversation is about having conversations, and how we need more of that today, now more than ever.


More on Nate at

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